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July 07, 2009 04:55:21pm |
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ha! you put green is the colour in there...I used to jam this tune way back in the day...suprisingly Dead music is more difficult than Floyd...this tune for instance, is a piece of cake...relatively speaking, the Dead delivered most every show during their prime...
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July 07, 2009 05:03:53pm |
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Sorry Cliff,
the title of the preceeding post is "Wow - things are slow", maybe this 'compare and contrast' should be included there? But, while I'm on the subject:-
I spent my early teenage years getting blown away by the early Floyd. IMHO they peaked with "Ummagumma" (and maybe the "More" soundtrack album) but then (at least to me) it seemed that they had found the formula and had settled down on an easy (gravy train) ride. Geesh, "Another Brick in the Wall" is so plodding, much worse than "Shakedown Street" (which has many more 'moments'). I gave up when I saw them 'live' during the "Atom Heart Mother" tour frying bacon on stage during "Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast" - file that one under 'money for contrived old rope' !!!! Then I heard people talking about that crazy outfit from the states called the Grateful Dead, I called into my local record shop, picked up 'Live/Dead' and asked them to play me a track. They ushered me into a listening booth, put on "Turn on Your Lovelight" in all its raw craziness and that was it - I was on the bus and there was no way back. Sure, the Dead also peaked and may have also settled into their own comfort zone, but nothing like the lacklustre comfort zone of the Floyd.
I can still listen to "Set the Controls" more or less side-by-side with "Dark Star", but all the later stuff ("SOYCD - they reckon Syd's a god, let's coin-up"), you can keep it.
Sorry Cliff - it's all subjective anyway - maybe you're right and I'm wrong - but that's my humble opinion.
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July 07, 2009 05:48:39pm |
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The Dead didn't deliver consistently, and even if they did or didn't have the X factor present, there was often humor.
No, Joy -- yes joy! And more emotional textures because of the variety of songs.
Lurid and weird sometimes, or maddening even, but funny. Even if the joke was on you. Hell in a bucket at exactly the wrong time(s) that had us laughing later.
Or "If I had my way, if I had my way, if I had my way,
I would tear this old building down." So loud that you could take as threat from the next life to clean up your act stat.
The experience could also test your pride in your mind. Is the band one or conflicting egos ala Shadowbox-Bucket-Victim? They could go into some direction and then turn on a dime, leaving preconceptions in the dust.
And they provided a pretty safe friendly environment, and a Rock Medicine backup. Of course that's not their peak, but it WAS Reagan's America.
You had to put up with awkward harmonies and forced shouts, but I didn't get that warmth -- which coincided even with the weather -- from other bands.
This post was modified by spacedface on 2009-07-08 00:48:39
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July 07, 2009 06:44:10pm |
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One problem I have with the Dark Side forward Pink Floyd, is that the lyrics ( Waters ?) can be so whiney ... Robert Hunter was never so bitchy . Now Floyd's music usually saves them ( think of "Dogs" on Animals, David's guitar adds the pathos that the nasty lyrics miss ).
Of the "prog" bands of the era, its King Crimson for me . Listen to their live stuff from the mid 70's, in the Larks Tongues period !
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July 08, 2009 08:11:51am |
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DD--that is one of the reasons I don't like the latter PF material...the early Syd stuff seems so much more creative, odd, quirky, irreverent, simplistic...I know it could be critiqued as well, but I just like it...
Maybe like all geniuses, Syd had a few good yrs, and then by 25, the wad was shot...maybe he just had the good grace to pass from the scene...
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July 08, 2009 09:41:33am |
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I like the early stuff too ; all the pre Dark Side records . I can't imagine later day PF having a song as goofy and as charming as "Bike" ( I once sang it, in a very short stint, in a band I was part of) . Like the Anthem>Aox. Dead , they could put on record stuff that most "normal" people see as failed experiments ( "What's Become of the Baby," " Several Species..." of course I love this stuff ).
I like the latter PF albums, but just not as much . But The Wall, mostly leaves me cold . "Another Brick..." seems to tell the "kids" what they want to hear, contrast that to the hated "Day Job," which tells them what they need to hear... (!) Oh well.
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July 07, 2009 07:24:27pm |
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Whenever I hear "Red" I leave this dimension... ;-)
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July 07, 2009 05:29:31pm |
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Hmmm. Primal under the LBJ administration, Just exactly perfect during the Nixon-Ford years, a spark...then faded during Carter, stadium giants with record setting revenues during Reagan, fading fast and disappearing altogether during Clinton.
The Grateful Dead. A Conservative Republican Band.
Proud members of the Bohemian Club, and soon to be Bilderberg Groupsters.
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July 08, 2009 11:16:05am |
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Yeah you wish. In your wet dreams Earl. Don't be sad. Just because no artist worth a sh*t has ever been a conservative Republican is no reason to go delusional.
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July 08, 2009 11:41:21am |
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"Just because no artist worth a sh*t has ever been a conservative Republican is no reason to go delusional"
If I were at a party, and heard someone say somthing like that, I'd probably ask them to quit bogarting, and pass it along.
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July 08, 2009 04:23:53pm |
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Dang! We've all been banned from you tube at work.
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July 08, 2009 05:49:02pm |
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Just a little NUGE!!! No drugs, guns (but lets really hunt with bows), loincloths and lots of red meat rock n roll!
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July 08, 2009 09:38:35pm |
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eeew! thanks for the warning! Funny, he likes to come up here to the State Fair and comment on even our State's Republican politics, and this is before Palin and the National spotlight. The only saving grace for me is that apparently he still throws enough f words and pussy talk to at least offend the religious part of the party.
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July 08, 2009 12:50:56pm |
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But you wouldn't say that to the person that started the blather?
If I was at a party and would have to even address something this absurd I'd probably leave
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July 08, 2009 01:26:37pm |
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jots, you are a real crowd pleaser, but you wouldn't have to leave, I doubt you'd have been invited in the first place ;)
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July 08, 2009 03:09:01pm |
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good one! Well you know what Groucho Marx said about belonging to a club that'd have him as a member
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July 08, 2009 02:51:52am |
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The Grateful Dead didn't mess with partisan pissing contests until after Garcia died. Your conservative Republican band openly campaigned for Brack Obama. like they.ve never done for any other presidential candidate.
That Bohemian Club garbage occurred around 1998...
This post was modified by cousinkix1953 on 2009-07-08 09:50:53
This post was modified by cousinkix1953 on 2009-07-08 09:51:52
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July 07, 2009 06:15:05pm |
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Maybe the darkness is from your eyes. It's odd Earl, given that I like your show reviews! After 28 years of Republican rule of the last 40, are we better off or prepared for the future?
It seems more like the choice was given at the height of the cold war. Hippiedom wasn't a political revolution but one of conscience. Even the gains in freedom have been wiped away in principal, and total breakdown just awaits our Stalin, "wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross."
Or maybe the Anti-Christ in the perfect image of a beast, preaching war against the ungodly owners of "our" oil. God surely made a mistake when HE gave Israel none and only gave America enough to get addicted.
I wonder how friendly the right wing Jews and Christians will remain when the going gets tough. In the middle ages the Crusaders killed everyone. Will the Westboro Baptist Church "Love Crusade" be different than the Love Pageant Rally?
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July 07, 2009 06:18:38pm |
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For religion I prefer Meher Baba, "Everything is nothing, nothing is everything."
As for politics, I refuse to ever play the victim. There has never been a president or political party that caused my life to either suffer or prosper under it's leadership. My world is what I make it.
Whether either party has a toehold on righteousness, I'll not be the judge, nor will I suffer fools that are motivated by false hatred. (That would be like trading half of America's hatred for George Bush with the other half's hatred of Al Gore.) Just when you think you're in the majority, there's the other half.
Finally, when the reaper comes, it appears to deal out death equally to all, and I know of no politician who has not sold their ideals along with their soul. I don't ever plan on selling out my ideology, or allowing it to be replaced with the kind of venomous hatred that appears to have your soul all in a knot.
Just a passing fancy, since you alluded, perhaps it might be an idea to have a personal plan for "the end game." I don't think government will bail us out when the man come round.
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July 07, 2009 07:51:13pm |
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>>>For religion I prefer Meher Baba, "Everything is nothing, nothing is everything."
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Just a passing fancy, since you alluded, perhaps it might be an idea to have a personal plan for "the end game." I don't think government will bail us out when the man come round.>>>
F-16s won't do any good either, so there goes the GOP. The hate base seems to insist on reservations for Dante's Cornice of Wrath. Ouch.
Meher Baba (The God-Man, Messiah, Christ, Avatar) seems like a false profit, or at least a slippery slope. He seems to have said/signed near his end, "Do not forget that I am God." Hindu-Sufi syncretics can be tricky though.
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July 07, 2009 08:17:42pm |
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I agree, albeit reluctantly, that good ol' Meher Baba was another dead end...
How 'bout this caveat:
"Everyone's wrong about everything."
Anyway, we're in the 6th trump and heading fast for the 7th...
stick around any maybe you'll get to see the actual Anti-Christ and all that, if you believe... in all that.
I don't know anymore...
but the children believed...
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July 08, 2009 05:54:35pm |
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Mason's Children?? And was that song really about the Floyd's Nick Mason??? ;-)
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July 08, 2009 06:36:16pm |
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Come to think of it (I just got back from work), Mason's Children belongs on that "lost" debut list we were assembling!
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July 07, 2009 09:08:17pm |
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What do you mean dead end? You don't give your soul to huckster like Meher, just benefit from the philosophy offered. The messenger is always there to be shot, or crucified, it's the message to keep your eyes fixed on. Everything else is just slight of hand.
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July 07, 2009 09:48:40pm |
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good point.
But one day back in '83 I tried showing up and hanging out at a hippie semi-political hangout wearing a Baba button, a smile and keepig my mouth closed, as though I had taken a temporary vow of silence...
and those boys (one still a close friend) didn't like my act at all...
and almost threw me bopdily out unless I dropped the act (they knew what I was trying to do) and start talking like a normal human being.
Look, only Meher Baba is/was Meher baba...
but we're all in the body of Christ, Amen.
Praise Allah.
(well, scratch that last comment!)
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July 08, 2009 04:28:29am |
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The messenger isn't always there to take abuse for scapegoaters, and the actual messengers aren't hucksters.
As for the other comment on praise, Allah is the Arabic word for God. In Hebrew the cognate is Elah; in Aramaic Alaha. In older German God is from ghut, "that which is invoked" -- similar to the Semitic, and apparently to the Aryan/Iranian Khuda.
Even Jews and Christians who speak Arabic use Allah, so the word itself should not cause problems for people unless they just have to take a tribal stand against Arabs and Semitic languages.
I haven't found a great extended treatment on the topic, but the best short ditty I've found (Wikipedia has several good pages too) is "One God, Many Names." The source may cause undue anxiety for some though:
http://www.zaytuna.org/seasonsjournal/seasons3/44-54%20One%20God%20Many%20Names.pdfWell, let's get on with the show.
This post was modified by spacedface on 2009-07-08 11:28:29
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July 07, 2009 05:58:01pm |
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They peaked every 4 years, well sort of anyway. 1968, 1972, 1977 (if you don't count 1975 it works out) and 1981. They were on election cycles until the hiatus threw them off.
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July 08, 2009 08:10:41am |
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HA! I like your math--interesting suggestion!
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